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Post by timothykprice on Jul 12, 2012 6:56:18 GMT -5
You call them "fool" yet you have been so ignorant as to help defeat the grievance sentence pointing out the need for a new 9/11 investigation.
"9/11/2001 represents probable cause for action by a special Federal Grand Jury to indict government officials who are implicated"
You have no legitimate reason for doing this except ignorance and profound arrogance.
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Post by sheshan12 on Jul 12, 2012 15:34:42 GMT -5
Okay I confess. How did you know? I respond as a peace offering. I have received your e-mails. I have watched all the videos. I believe what you believe. HOWEVER, This is a case of the chickens coming home to roost in the Malcolm X respect. Mister, I'm just scared. I will support an investigation; but Vice President Dick Cheney is untouchable. He shot a man in the face and made him claim it was an accident. Ask any hunter. No one goes hunting with somebody that clumsy. The 911 cause will be all or nothing for those involved. I bet Micheal Pollack knows that too. Watch Oliver Stone's JFK. [ i know you have already] God bless America. But, I know in the end the Continental Congress 2.0 will negotiate every demand. Even the original Continental Congress needed an army. And still got run out of Philadelphia. I think God will judge the 911 cause. If there is not god, we all need to bear arms behind closed doors. But I want to help.
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Post by timothykprice on Jul 13, 2012 12:28:49 GMT -5
Thank you, Sheshan12. Your post is spot-on. After 9/11 our Vermont Senator Leahy wanted a real investigation into 9/11 and then got an anthrax letter. He immediately changed his tune and publicly reported that he had complete faith and confidence in the 9/11 Commission Report. I understand how nasty these monster reptiles are.
Do you suppose that the longer we wait the kinder that they will become? I share your hope that some divine intervention will inflict justice on them, but I have not seen it yet.
All I am asking is that the Continental Congress restore as part of Grievance 88, "9/11/2001 represents probable cause for action by a special Federal Grand Jury to indict government officials who are implicated". This is only proper, and gives some credence to this group and by which they would make the world sit up and take notice, for the courage, the determination, and the just purpose of their efforts. This would attract the best people to our cause. We could be proud of what we are doing. We would know that we did our best in the face of the worst of human-kind.
When you are old, will you say that you did your best? .. that you took the risks necessary?
In Dicken's story, A Christmas Carol, Scrooges asks Marly's ghost why he his moaning and wailing in misery? The ghost responds that while he was alive he saw great injustices and evil in the world, but did nothing. Now that he was no longer living, he could not effect change for the better. That was the greatest pain for him.
Are you all doing all you can to effect the change we need to combat these terrible people? It is so much more painful to fail to try, than to be defeated in a great cause for good.
We are growing stronger, and they are becoming weaker. We need to rally with real purpose. With people like you working with us, we will win. Thank you, Sheshan12.
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Post by timothykprice on Jul 14, 2012 5:06:33 GMT -5
Positive change in society will come about when those with money are exposed for their crimes, and brought to trial, and held accountable. All the money in the world is useless if they are exposed and held accountably by the people.
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Post by timothykprice on Jul 14, 2012 6:08:29 GMT -5
As 'Statute of Limitations' Approaches, Wall Street Crimes of 2008 Go Unpunished www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/07/12-3Talk about the importance of investigating 9/11, how many of you know that Merrill Lynch & Co., and Morgan Stanley and Bank of America were the biggest profiteers from the put options on the airlines on 9/11? This is a crime with all the records to prove it. The FBI was given charge to investigate how the banks were privy to the 9/11 event before it happened, but the FBI never acted on this. 911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.htmlWe need to hold the banks accountable. A new investigation into 9/11 would open this up. We need to do it now. But it takes intelligent people who aren't corrupted to do it. Do we have some here? Or are the "steering" committee members opposed to this too?
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Post by aronprice on Jul 14, 2012 8:54:34 GMT -5
"Again...the top 1% love to see the bottom 99% eat each other alive. Good times."
I agree Kelly, but you have been pretty agressive as well. Lets face it times are tough and people are exhausted and frustrated. This means we are more prone to take it out on those around us.
Please everyone remember we are not the enemy. If someone vents or shares their vision let's try to not attack them personally. If you disagree explain your reasoning and allow logic to make your point.
Perhaps one of the challenges we face is that we don't have Ben Franklin around to keep us "enlightened"
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Post by indecankelly on Jul 16, 2012 20:00:19 GMT -5
Aron, aggressive progressive, I like the ring of that.
I'm only aggressive because the loudest ones always have the worst ideas, and the quiet ones are too rational to know that they can't get anywhere talking to brick walls.
I agree that we are not each other's enemy; and obviously you agree too...now if we can only get the folks who advocate the minority view of the smallest minority to agree...we might actually get somewhere.
But alas, the optimist in me says "we can do this", the realist says "get ready to be attacked by folks who agree with you who haven't read your words", and the pragmatist says "dang, no wonder progressives fail again and again".
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Post by timothykprice on Jul 17, 2012 8:02:10 GMT -5
"the optimist in me says "we can do this",
Yes, we can do this. There has been wonderful work accomplished in getting the CC2.0 together: to have met with each other, and to now have the opportunity to discuss and to learn from each other in a more lengthy and complete process.
After days of work on grievance #88, it was disappointing to have no discussion on the amendment to remove the reference to 9/11 except to call for it, and then remove what the grievance committee had agreed was appropriate. This sentence should be restored ASAP. "...9/11/2001 represents probable cause for action by a special Federal Grand Jury to indict government officials who are implicated."
This is the most positive step the CC2.0 could take to begin to act on a renewed atmosphere, based upon truth in government, accountability against the flood of money, special interests, thievery, and their power to deceive, murder for power, and instigate wars. This would inspire the 99%, it would give hope to the people... that times are changing and justice will be found, good will prevail.
We could then go about electing a representative Congress, and reintroduce a national currency, force the mainstream media to report accurately, etc.
Thank you for your continued interest in this.
tim
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Post by frankleespeaking on Jul 17, 2012 11:34:59 GMT -5
No aron, but you do have his great great great great great great great great grandson, and some other fine folks who have studied these problems long and hard and realize that people are frustrated and tired and angered and scared and misinformed, and are working to bring a group of organizations together to build consensus around common solutions to common problems.
And no Timothy, that step would simply ensure that no one listens to our little group. Not that they are likely to listen to the group as it stands now anyway unless we come up with a document that everyone can really get behind, not to mention some actual organization.
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