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Post by frankleespeaking on Jun 22, 2012 19:52:38 GMT -5
I agree with most of this Chris, but again...what do you think will happen?
Part of our strategy is to pressure states to call for an article V. We need 34.
If we start getting close to that number, history tells us Congress will in all likelihood pass one or more amendments and send them to the states for ratification. If they are ratified, the states will in all likelihood be satisfied, and there will be no need for a convention. The only caveat is if 34 states make a General convention call, which seems far less likely, but not impossible. I think, and you probably agree, that the odds of a "runaway convention" are basically nil since any changes to the Constitution have to be ratified by 3/4 of the states no matter what.
I'm focused on the likeliest chain of events, especially since my bookie tells me the odds on a convention actually happening are 534 to Ron Paul. I don't care where the amendment(s) come through Congress or a convention as long as they have the desired effect.
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mhuttman
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Post by mhuttman on Jun 25, 2012 11:36:50 GMT -5
Let's take this one step at a time. We need to agree on a final list of grievances and draft that document first. THEN we can vote as a group on what we should do with that document once its complete.
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Post by indecankelly on Jun 26, 2012 19:33:29 GMT -5
I like the language too, that "taking a different tactic to achieve the same goals" is a pretty clear point.
There seems to be a few different logical approaches, be it through a legal process, a media attention process, but let's not forget a public policy process. There are not many in Congress that would advocate for what our grievances contain, but there might be a few. Bernie Sanders of course comes to mind, though if we look at State governments or city governments, we might broaden that support base.
There is more power at the federal level, but if we can establish a foothold at the state or city level, we might be able to build a cohesive messaging strategy with actual public policy support.
Also, we should be reaching out to other foundations of our society, like educational entities, civic entities, and non-profit entities that can lend their support and better yet, their people to our words.
If we really want to approach our grievances via a proposed Amendment, we would therefore need that support at the state level. Sure, you may not get all the states, but we can make a realized effort to get two thirds of them.
Again, it comes down to getting elected officials.
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