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Post by davidindc on Jul 12, 2012 8:57:01 GMT -5
Your first paragraph seems inaccurate. There was no need for people behind the scenes to direct that conversation. The people out in the open made a convincing case on their own.
Your second paragraph is very kind. Thank you. I join you in hoping that all of us get what we deserve.
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Post by timothykprice on Jul 13, 2012 7:43:49 GMT -5
KJlowry: Just so you recognize that your actions are evil... male/female, whatever. You are expressing that kind of personal view in ignoring the evidence on 9/11. It is now seen as being a criminal operation against Americans from within our own government. Your continued suppression of 9/11 from being addressed by our people is the same a someone who sees an attack on a person and deciding to walk away rather than help, in fact, covers up the deed. That is evil. There is no excuse for your shameful behavior. You do great damage to the well-being of our movement to get truth and accountability, to improve our government, to improve or economy, to create a better life. You defeat this effort in your ignorance and domination of this process, the steering committee, by rigging the list of grievances to suit your sick views rather than to represent the views of delegates. No wonder Occupy disowns this weaselly bunch; Occupy does not have leaders, cause leaders do not lead to good things for all, but rather to supporting their own misguided views. To salvage this effort to bring necessary change, we cannot afford to have evil people doing evil things to the process of our trying to educate ourselves as to what has been done to us in secret. If you continue to fail regarding exposure of 9/11, you are unfit to be among US Citizens. We have proof of a crime, we have proof of the government lie, we have proof of NIST falsifying data, we have proof of insider cooperation in the demolition of the 3 WTC buildings. We will prosecute this, and those who protect them, and also those who attempt to keep us from doing so. You are either with the 9/11 truth movement to expose the real criminals, or you are with the coverup to protect them. Yes, your behavior is evil.
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Post by kjlowry on Jul 13, 2012 9:50:12 GMT -5
I am done dignifying your diatribes with responses, Tim
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Post by timothykprice on Jul 13, 2012 12:44:31 GMT -5
Sorry kjlowry, but you dignify nothing. Ever since you told me at the Congress on July 2 that you would not allow the 9/11 investigation onto the grievance list .... even though you privately agreed with the idea the 9/11 was probably not what the government told us, you have not dignified anything here.
You are misguided, and have worked to misguide our efforts. You have to do better than that to earn anyone's respect.
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Post by timothykprice on Jul 13, 2012 13:04:05 GMT -5
"I do not beieve this belongs in our list of greivances. But an awful lot of people commenting on the grievances as listed on the 99%D site keep raising it, and raising it, and raising it."
This is your comment. No people "out in the open" made any convincing arguments; I saw nothing in the rebuttals to our referenced articles or video posted. There were denials, and smears about our "conspiracy theories" as is the normal tactic to discredit, but there has been nothing, zip, zero factual rebuttal to any of the facts given that prove that the WTC was destroyed by controlled demolitions, not planes and fires, not Islamic terrorists.
Knowing that this crime was committed, that the official story is an elaborate lie, and that the media has be completely complicit in formulating the lie, and maintaining it, is of the utmost importance to make known to the public.
Your attitude is to overlook, to continue to conceal, to further the coverup. This may be enough to get you a visit to madam guillotine, sir. The people cannot tolerate your sort among them. Push is coming to shove; you have been informed, so which side are you on? You need to be clear now cause there may be consequences.... that you deserve.
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Post by frankleespeaking on Jul 13, 2012 19:25:21 GMT -5
HA! This is laughable. Any organization that includes this as a grievance will go nowhere, which was explained in the very first response to this post.
Don't believe me Tim? Form a group release something and see how much mainstream support you get.
I'm not going to do your homework for you, but I've actually seen video of the chief engineer who designed WTC 7 explaining how the fires collapsed the building, which was basically due to the greater than usual distance in vertical supports because of the building's design. Of course you won't be convinced and I'm not about to get into a debate about this, but the bottom line is nothing will get done on this or any other issue unless we address the issue of money in politics first, so in ranting about this issue, you are basically cutting your nose off to spite your face.
Also...threatening David with the guillotine? So 18th century. But really, you're going to chop off the heads of everyone who doesn't believe what you believe? That is an awful lot of people.
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Post by frankleespeaking on Jul 13, 2012 19:35:59 GMT -5
Somebody need to call the WAAAHMBULANCE here. Seriously Tim...people voted on whether to include the grievance right? And it got voted down? I don't see how that is KJ's decision. I also don't see how including it would do a damn bit of good, whether it's true or not.
Seriously, it's like watching a train wreck in slow motion.
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Post by timothykprice on Jul 14, 2012 4:43:27 GMT -5
There is a complete scientific basis proving why there was no pancake collapse of any of the buildings. It takes a reasonably intelligent and unbiassed person to look at the data and know; but the 3 WTC towers were taken down by controlled demolition and their is overwhelming, consistent, uniform, evidence that they were demolished by explosives. Solving the Mystery of WTC 7 www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBwYour mention that the architect may have said otherwise has no meaning, based upon the facts. You would do well to do your homework rather than spreading hearsay gossip of no importance, no relevance whatsoever. Money has nothing to do with this. It is a people's movement, and people do not need to be paid when in defense of their county. We are citizens, not mercenaries. What we need is to educate the people, to grow the confidence in the people, that they should expose the truth, and they can, because all the facts are on their side. It is easier to win with little money and truth, than to maintain a lie with all their stolen, and soon to be worthless, money. But we do not need uninformed people, such as yourself, belittling the effort. What happened was a coup. We had traitors murdering our people for their gain, for incitement to war under false pretenses, and for insurance fraud, for theft of trillions of dollars. The people need to regain control of their government, of their press, and regain honor as a nation; this can only be done by exposing what has happened. This requires a purge of those in our society whose will is to destroy our Constitutional government, and complete their enslavement of free people. Anyone who discourages us, anyone who tries to dissuade the people from restoring our nation, anyone who, through their willful ignorance or complicity, continues to promote the lie, is supporting the coup, is supporting the coverup, and is participating in the destruction of our nation. We call them traitors, they are traitors, and must be dealt with as traitors. A free society must not tolerate those within it to be ignorant of the facts, to continue the fraud. We can expose the truth by a new, independent investigation. We will learn, as a people, how these buildings came down, and who did it. One way or another we will find the real answers because we can. The WTC was destroyed, not by planes, not by fires, not by Islamic Terrorists. So who did it? I did not threaten David; so again, you are framing the issue around emotion, not the facts. But you and David, by perpetuating confusion and refusing to work to resolve this issue through formal and legal means available to us, are protecting the real terrorists of America; a free people will not continue to have you obstruct the process. Support a new investigation or you are going to be swept away with the rest of them when all is exposed. Do you really think your sticking with the government agenda is worth that? In France, it was the Kings family that was targeted, but thousands of the little vermin who profited in the kings circle were executed. It was a people's reaction to those who did not join them in their honorable struggle. And so it will be again. The revolution had no leaders, it was not planned, it was a flashover among the citizens when at last they knew enough, shared enough information, and asked the question, "can we afford the corrupt rich any longer?". The answer was, "NO". It is still, no.
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Post by timothykprice on Jul 14, 2012 5:03:16 GMT -5
The people who called for the amendment to strike the language from grievance 88 were allowed to speak. I got denied the right to speak, and insisted, but was given less than a minute of time. This is the sort of railroading that the so called "steering" committee was responsible for. That is why I see you as part of the coverup. It was their agenda to make sure that nothing about 9/11 actually came forth.
You are part of the coverup, and will go as part of the coverup. We will defeat you.
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Post by sheshan12 on Jul 14, 2012 14:21:37 GMT -5
Very strong and dramatic words by T. Price. I support the sentiment in this way. We must recognize what did happen. I do acknowledge in this forum that the three WORD TRADE CENTER buildings were not collapsed by fire. And, I believe that the people can and will rise up in violence with out a leader. It is not what anybody wants. But, I wanted to share with this group what a riot looks like. The Los Angeles riots targeted liquor store, furniture store, and clothing stores to be burned down. Grocery stores were simply looted. My point is the people know what is wrong. The people know what they need. The civil government in Los Angeles was corrupt. Those store owners had insurance. Every business man know that is mostly true. And the people got relief from the oppressive police department. I was their. 20 years later the story has been rewritten. But, I was there. I did not participate by the way.
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Post by dunnnathan on Jul 15, 2012 2:22:30 GMT -5
Really Tim? If someone doesn't agree with your assessment of something that happened eleven years ago, they should be "purged"?
I'm all for considering different viewpoints, but man, I'm not buying what you're selling, and I'd appreciate it if you took your wares to a different neighborhood.
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Post by davidindc on Jul 15, 2012 17:36:12 GMT -5
I misunderstood. I thought thiswas about what happened at the World Trade Center.
But I've never heard of the WORD TRADE CENTER. What is it that happened there?
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Post by timothykprice on Jul 15, 2012 19:26:13 GMT -5
It isn't whether or not people agree with my assessment; it is whether they agree with the facts as they consistently show explosives were used. People have said in the past that it was offensive to say that the Earth revolved around the Sun: When Steven Jones reported his results that he had solid evidence that the WTC 3 buildings were destroyed by explosives, not by Muslims, MSNBC news host, Tucker Carlson told Jones that "people might find his saying that to be pretty offensive". (See this in the film, Hypothesis) How funny that anyone might call disclosing evidence offensive. It is because it does not support the party line.
But the media, and planted trolls everywhere, continue to distract from what is in the evidence. And everyone should know that we are bringing this to a neighborhood where you are, and we are going to be sure that you see it.
The Protocol of the Elders says something about maintaining a lie for 10 years, and it will become truth, as the people will no long care nor be able to challenge the story. I think we are seeing that after 11 years, this Protocol is failing. We have the videos, we have the dust, we have the recordings, .. and what we do not have is what the government is hiding "for national security" reasons. LOL.
How helpful your pointing out that Sheshan12 had left out an "r" in "world". This is the sort of remark that adds tremendously to the understanding of how the distractors work.... no intellect, only shallow diversion.
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Post by timothykprice on Jul 15, 2012 19:42:04 GMT -5
The French Revolution took money out of politics by taking out the politicians who had the money. Worked very well.
Machiavelli tells us that when a society is newly formed, fresh from a revolution, few laws are necessary because the memory of the old ways is still fresh in the minds of the people. But when the people lose their good habits, when they have become completely corrupted, no laws of man are sufficient to keep them from breaking the intent of the laws.
We have to have a revolution. We can do it through the courts by forming a Special Grand Jury and beginning to expose in an orderly and most public way, the story of 9/11. '
It matters not the least whether or not 9/11 makes the top grievance lists of this American Idol show about what an uniformed public thinks are the issues. This is about working to free the 99% from the treacherous control of the 1%. That is what I think our work should be about.
So I hope that more and more people on this site who are genuine, who are not here to foul us, but are here to work for a restoration of honorable men of honorable action to positions of power, will begin to dominate the discussion. We can build a purposeful and effective campaign to "out" those who committed the coup, and who maintain it though their influence.
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Post by mikelweisser on Jul 16, 2012 1:10:47 GMT -5
Like many of the rest of you, i too have spent years looking into this issue, from my great distance. I believe that there is something to the calls for investigation, but i have also spent years not joining in those calls. I wish them well, but am constantly battling marginalization as is our convention. If the other issues we are addressing get anywhere, then the truth in this matter will come to light. If they don't gain ground we won't be able to advance this issue anyway.
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